Not too long ago, Katiebabs sent an email to a bunch of regular romance bloggers talking about Sarah McCarty's most recent book, Sam's Creed. It seems there was a scene in the book where the hero and heroine engaged in some backdoor lovin'...on horseback. That began a huge round robin about the feasibility of that, and how it would work, and of course, why on Earth one couldn't wait until they got off the horse to do a little what-what-in-the-butt.I just finished reading Joey W. Hill's A Mermaid's Kiss. I *LOVED* her Vampire Queen series. It's dark and lush and extremely erotic without being campy at all. So I jumped at the chance to read and review A Mermaid's Kiss, which I will do for RNTV. But I very much doubt that I'll talk about this issue, so I'm posting here.
I read a ton of paranormal romance. And I love shape-shifters. But I have one hard and fast rule. It's this, you can have sex both in human form, you can have sex both in were form. You ABSOLUTELY CANNOT have sex one in human form, one in were form. No, no, no, no, no. It's just NOT ok. Ever. Kate Douglas, who writes the Wolf Tales books often uses the one in were, one in human form, which just gets my squick factor going in a HUGE way.
And now apparently, so does Joey Hill. A Mermaid's Kiss is about an angel and a mermaid. Jacob (the angel) has been injured in battle and one of his wings severed from his body. Anna, a mermaid, rescues Jacob when he falls into the sea after his injury. They fall in love. His wing reattaches, they are sent on a quest to see a shaman who can fully heal Jacob's wing. And so they set out on land to get the shaman, who is in the Mojave desert. So, Anna takes human form, Jacob is in human form from sunup to sundown. When they first hit land, they go to a small cabin that Anna owns, there she shifts to mermaid form for him and he stays human...and they do it.
Now, I'm sorry. That's fish sex. And that's just inappropriate and wrong. Deeply wrong. She's a FISH, people! Apparently that makes her much tighter. And, that's supposed to be good. And possibly hot.
And then, later in the story, it comes out that Anna can also change into a fairy form. Very small, with wings. And after frolicking in the woods with Jacob in angel form and her in fairy form...they do it again. Well...not exactly, but they have a sexual encounter with her pint sized and him regular sized. There were pinkies and teeth and licking involved.
And again, I threw up a little in the back of my mouth.
Why? Why is this necessary? Hill is a tremendous writer, and actually the story was very, very interesting without all of the inappropriate sexin'. Do people find this hot? And, who are they exactly??
Ick.
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Oh man. This is one of those high voltage squick things for me. I read Out There in the Night and that dude totally turned into a DOG (ok wolf) and humped his mate (in human form) so you get my drift. M/M bestiality. I was like: YOU HAVE GOT TO NOT DO THAT RIGHT NOW PLEASE.
uh. So. It's in the bible and everything. I need to find the LOL cat Leviticus and post it. *G*
You really, really do. I'm glad I'm not the only one!
I was reading the Kate Douglas books thinking, "Is anyone else concerned that she's fucking a DOG right now?!?!"
Is anyone else concerned that she's fucking a DOG right now?!?!
It's so true! I mean if they both shift in to dogs...well I still want to take a hose to them. I read those werebobcat m/m civil war books and as bobcats...gosh those two got their freak on a lot.
Maybe we're not as kinky as we thought?
I have a sinking feeling you're right.
Of course, I kind of learned that when I was in Amsterdam a few years ago. I saw a Live Sex Show. Turns out, I'm WAY more of a puritan that I thought. LOL!
I'm soooo with you. It is NEVER okay for an animal/human sex scene. It flips right over from the sexual into the 'are you fracking kidding me?' realm! That's when I put the book down, shake my head and find something else to read.
Heh!
I told you...fish sex, never a good thing.
Marjorie M Lui kinda hovers round the edges of this sometimes. Eck!
It's just a step too far for me....
Bestiality = fucked up! Not sexy.
Oh. No.
Where exactly is a Mermaid's vagina anyway? I just can't figure that out.
Oh, wow, great post. I especially love your X graphic. You're right, human + animal sex, that is NOT a turn on. In most cases it would be a turn off. I might be neutral on the mermaid. I think I need more info. Where does IT go in? I guess I don't even know how fish procreate. Wait, they fertilize eggs externally, right? I can't imagine she lays eggs and he does it with the eggs, but that would be pretty funny. Am I really going to hit PUBLISH YOUR COMMENT now?
Look! Christine! Dirty minds think alike.
Shifted sex doesn't bother me. Sometimes it makes me laugh and roll my eyes and say OMGWTF, but that's usually because it's hilariously stupid and I crack up over the mechanics of it...not because it offends me.
There's some shifted werewolf sex in my favorite book series and...um...well, I thought it was cool. I mean...really...is it any weirder or creepier than fucking the undead? Not to me.
I also think demon sex scenes are hot, especially when the demon has a tail.
*hides under desk*
But see...the first sex scenes I ever read in a book were by V. C. Andrews in Flowers in the Attic.
I was doomed from the start.
*looks around for the men in white coats*
i am just a bit curious though.....
Is mermaid made like us ?
Where is ...hum....her genitals?
For all we know it could be on her belly!
I am intrigued! but definitely not aroused....
Um, if I recall correctly, her vulva (and I believe it was called that) was on her backside in a gill shaped opening, right above her anus. And over and over he kept saying how "tight" it was. Ummm, yeah. I should think so. She's a FISH!!
*cold chills*
It was just nasty. When I get home tonight, I'll find the passage and post it.
Do you s'pose there's fetish for that?? I mean, I know there are fetishes for most things...but fish??
The thing is, the story is really quite well done. But do you grade down for squicky sex? I think I'm gonna have to, because for sure I won't re-read this one, just based on the ick factor.
Jen, I just really, really love you!
See? Apparently there is an audience for it.
I guess I don't think of fucking the undead as icky. Mostly because most of the vampires are hot. I mean, sleeping with Edward from Twilight might be different, he's COLD. I dunno.
I just think of the animal thing as bestiality and that's just wrong, wrong, wrong in my book.
Over the anus, it sounds like a surgical incision more than a sexual organ. Couldn't it have been UNDER the anus?
I will be anxiously awaiting the passage.
I'm kind of "equal opportunity" when it comes to reading about sex.
But I kinda lost track of the fact that this post is about fish sex.
Not sexy to me. I don't like the idea of having sex with anything cold.
So I guess even *I* have limits. :)
But does mermaid sex freak me out because it's beastiality? Strangely, no. It freaks me out because of the cold and slimy factor. LOL
Oh eeeeeew.
This reminds me why I ended up notliking Tiger Eye my Marjorie Liu - even though the writing was pretty good, there is a sex scene with the hero in tiger form that was so wrong in so many levels that it ruined the book for me. so I hear ya sister.
You know this also begs the question: where is a merman's unit?
I mean. Doesn't it?
Vulva. Fish Vulva. Uh. Does that conjure anything nasty for you guys, cuz...uh...that's sorta the last thing you want to associate with the girl parts.
LB - Smells like tuna.
BTW...CJ's post made me picture a dude jerking off over a bed of fish eggs. I laughed so loud one of my co-workers came around the corner to check on me.
LB - Smells like tuna.
LMAO! Hilarious.
Ana, I seem to remember that scene in Tiger's Eye too. And that might be the first scene I ever read with the shifting. And he was a tiger. And that's just wrong on so many levels.
LB, I dunno, we don't meet any mermen in the book, so no idea. Huh. Someone should write a book about mermen -- and where their units are.
Well if it's on there chin....
shit. *their
*now that I'm done laughing uncontrollably at these comments*
The idea of wolf/animal shifted sex does squick me out hard (although I did love Marjorie's TIGER EYE ... and I do remember hitting that scene and thinking, "Did they just... Really?" So I think it didn't bother me so much because it struck me as vague and not very detailed.)
I'm not completely squicked out just at the *idea* of mermaid sex, mostly because I can't wrap my head around the idea of a mermaid as a fish. She's in a "mystical creature" area of my brain, which has a lot looser rules than the "I've seen a wolf, and NO FREAKING WAY!" part of my brain.
It might be, however, that reading it would change my mind to a hard yay or nay. The more explicit, I think the better the chances are that I'll be squicked (especially if there is any mention of cold and/or slimy.) The more apparent that it is during the scene that she's not-human, I think the higher the squick factor. The more that she seems human, I think it's easier to take.
In any case, I'll definitely be getting this book -- I just love Joey Hill's work like crazy, and I'm really fascinated by the idea of a mermaid heroine. (And the next one, which -- judging by the cover -- looks to be some kind of octopus heroine.)
*waving*
Hi Meljean! Thanks for stopping by!
OK, well I get the mystical creature thing, and yes, her top half was human, so she could kind of give him direction. But still it's pretty graphic, and there are a lot of descriptions of her gills and...things. Dunno. Just icky to me. But I agree, angel/mermaid sex is supposed to be mystical.
Oh yes, Anna (the heroine) has a best friend, Mina, who is the sea witch. I'd imagine it's her getting her HEA. Octopus sex. I wonder how she'll do that one.
SIGH.
"But still it's pretty graphic, and there are a lot of descriptions of her gills and...things."
Some descriptions are easy to slide over, but a thing like gills, it only conjures up the image of a fish. So I can definitely see where that's a big turnoff :-D It'll be interesting to see the reaction when the book is more widely released. I like the idea that authors are pushing boundaries, but I wonder if we'll discover that there's only so far that many readers are willing to go. And not just the very mainstream readers, but even those who do venture regularly into the push-the-envelope territory (like with Hill's vampire books) might draw a line when it comes to other topics (like mermaid sex).
Fish sex. Ug, no thanks. But I think that I don't see a mermaid as a fish - more of a mythical creature.
I'm with Jenb - the whole shifted sex thing doesn't really bother me most of the time. I don't noramlly read a lot of books that have shifted sex scenes but when I do it's all in how the author portrays it. I think I'm kinkier than I think I am. lol
Ok fish sex is just icky!!! That right there just turned me off the whole book. And it really does bring a whole new meaning to when they say she smelled a little fishy down there or to fish tacos lol. Ok maybe that’s just my sick sense of humor :o)
LMAO. Uhg, fish sex. I just knew it would go there as soon as you mentioned this book. UHG! *shudder*
I don't neccessarily have a problem with bestiality scenes in erotic novels, even though they're generally pretty dumb, but fish are NOT sexy. No no no.
Are you kidding me? This beats tree sex and butt butt on the horse. Sex as a mermaid?
And I thought men who turn into seals and have raging underwater sex was bad.
Are her fins like her clitoris? When she has an orgams does she spooge salt water?
SNORT! Oh KB, you are made of the awesome!
Salt water spooge. Oh my.
Sushi anyone?
HEY I LIKE SUSHI!!
::shakes fist at katiebabs::
Oh, EEEEeeeeewwwww!!!!!
Damn, you've given me way too much to think about here, and most of it is not good LOL. Fish sex? Big ick. Ugh no thank you. I'm not sure I can think of tuna in the same way again now.
I've read Kate Douglas so I know what you're talking about. It wouldn't have bothered me if they were both wolves at the same time or human at the same time, but not one of each.
Elizabeth Amber's Satyrs really squicked me out. I don't know, the idea of a 2nd penis coming out of the abdomen area when the male is aroused so did not work for me. I can read all the menage stories in the world and not blink, but give me a hero w/ two penises and I think "mutant".
Ok, these comments (and the initial post) are hilarious. I'm so glad I'm home alone right now...
I get what Meljean is saying about Mermaids being Mythical creatures, but all I see when I think "Mermaid" is a green scaly tail a la Daryl Hannah in Splash. That is sooo not hot. Can you imagine Tom Hanks crawling into the tub w/ her when she had her tail out? EEK!
Shifted sex also squicks me out. I still have day terrors over the possibility of Bride having "a litter of pups" in Night Play by SK.
Some things I can deal with, but animal to human lovin isn't one of them.
And Fish Vulva just screams NOOOOOOO at me. *shudder*
Course, I still want to read the book. *intrigued despite herself*
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